The Toy Poodle Forum

[marge]

sounds like someone is taking what I wrote wrong,
Mine never jumped up and play bite when I came home.So no sweet talk wouldnt be in order.
I was only saying what me and my dogs do when I come back from being gone. I hug and talk sweet nothings to them.
I never had the separation anxiety that I have read where the answer is to ignore the dog when you first come back home
But if I had that problem I wouldnt ignore the dog.
doesnt matter where I would have read it, from a forum, a book , a trainor or a breeder. As for spraying them when one came home
Couldnt they be taught the down command given a long lasting chewy treat and that way tried first? Until they learn what is wanted of them. , instead of a splash of cold water in the face.That sounds kinder to me, But if a spary i the face is a cure for that, then why not a face spray wehn they are chewing on something they shouldnt? or if they show agression over their food? or they are doing territorial barking? Or getting ready to squat to pee on the carpet, just spray them.IF that is the answer for one bad thing then why not the others?
All are different and what works for one or most may not for another dog or be the way the owner chooses to do her pet. I would never ignore mydog to try to stop separation anxiety. I would try the going out for 10 minutes and coming back then extending the time I am gone.
owners should remember all have the right to decide what we want to try with our pet and our children. after reading options and advice and opinions
I choose hugging and paying attention to them for a minute or so when I come back home.

[Foxy Lady]

Mine don't try to bite at me, but they do get very excited and jump around when I get home. Honestly, I like being greeted by such happy and excited girls after a long day at work and don't want them to ignore me when I get home.

When I get home I greet my girls in a very calm but pleasant voice and say things like "Hi girls, I missed you too," etc. I also make sure to pet both of them so they feel like they've been acknowledged, and then they calm down really quickly. Foxy will then usually go thrash one of her toys around--she takes out her excitement on her beanie babies, haha.
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[HarleysMom]

I think the OP problem was the dog biting and knocking down the children. One of my dogs bites me when he gets excited, that hurts! He generally grabs the backs of my legs where it is very tender, that is not missing me, that is dominance. I don't know how many calls I get from people who want to place thier poodles because of this kind of biting. If it gets out of hand, it takes that much more to train them. Using water to alter this behaviour is not a bad thing. If the dog was just greeting happily and then settling down that is a different story, but it doesn't sound like that is the problem. Spraying Bob to get his attention, then making Bob sit, giving him a cookie is not cruel. Also, ignoring his behaviour is the correct thing to do, don't look at him when he is acting like this, it's like telling him he has to be good if he wants his loving. When you have two small children you have to train and expect better behaviour from your new puppy.
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[marge]

the OP , I think that means the original post.?
was this
'Anyone have any ideas for biting, when we arrive home from being out, even if we are out for 10 mins, he jumps and bites, either my clothes and hangs off them, or my hand. I have a big rip on my finger from one of his sharp teeth. He is actually getting worse each day, and now he is doing it to the kids. The 3 yr old boy that we have is just his height and knocks him over, any ideas would be appreciated.

the OP said the dog jumps and bites her.... then goes on to say that now Bob is doing it to the children.
When coming back home it could be her that calms the dog before the dog goes to the child
my observations and own experience has been young children and puppies can be a problem, We all know how active some children are or allowed to be and they jump here and run there and how excitable young kids can be ( if a parent allows them be that way) I have seen children whose parents will let them bounce off a wall or a bed if they wanted to . ...my youngest grandchildren are raised that way.
Activity like that is what a young playful dog likes and to them it is playing i and they want to join it in their dog way which is jumping up grabbing the clothes, barking and running behind a 3 or 4 year old.
I have seen this first hand back in 1968 .
. Then when the dog gets too rough or breaks skin the child is crying and the puppy is in trouble
Puppies raised in a quite and calm house, no wild play and with adults IMO dont turn out to be exciteable jumping up at you dogs( on average)after they have outgrown the young puppy stage.
If I had small children, I wouldnt get a puppy ,
A grown dog that is mature and calm is best around very young children. IMO
When my 4yr old grandson comes in town to visit and does his running and squealing, Lucy now tries to stay out of the way and dodges him, she must think he is from another planet? doesnt join in and jump and chase behind him,
SHe is grown not a young puppy and isnt use to kids being around acting that way and her and cookies mature instinct warns them they could get hurt if he fell on them or stepped on them.
Just as the OP said her daughter stepped on her toy size poodle. ( not Bob)
This same grandson was turning 3 ,to Lucy's 3 months and at that time 3lbs weight when he first visited after I bought her.
He was told my rules, he wasnt to pick her up, he had to be sitting and me or the mom there when he held her ,
I had to watch out for her if he ran down the hall etc. . He didnt take the rules seriously and I caught him disobeying them
I constantly had to watch out for Lucys safety. I couldnt even cook in the kitchen for fear of him accidently hurting her. I resorted to putting the dog in her crate to ease my mind and for her safety when I was out of the room .puppy bones can break easy.
Hard to raise a small child and a young playful puppy. Add both together and you have double work.
Hope using the spray works for you and Bobs behaviour I am adding a video of that time period.

[marge]

a short question for christinajane
when you had your dog that died , named rose, did you have small children then and did she do the jumping up and grabbing ?Or was she a older rehomed dog
Foxy Lady mine do too, the tail is going and the body wiggeling and twisting, cookie does a bounce thing, All four feet off the floor bounce, bounce, bounce a couple of inchs off the floor. SO funny.LOL
I nicknamed her my bouncing baby girl

Here is a video of the time period when Lucy was young ,and grandson She was 7 months old here, I evidently hadnt bought the camera on earlier visits
She had experienced his earlier visits.and is cautious LOL ..Cookie is older than her and she stayed away SHe was still new to being a indoor dog and not socialized
Notice at the end when he tries to hold her in a odd way , she instantly tried to get away from him,
Now if he had been standing instead of sitting the wiggly dog most likely would have been dropped on a hard floor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhLTgX8LuyQ

[Sasha]

Ok tried for last two days of leaving and coming. All 3 twirling and dancing on back legs but so over excited their voices coming out in squeeks. I acknowledged all 3 with looking at them, smiling and speaking in a calm voice..commanded them "calm". Its a word hubby and I agreed maybe a a simpler instruction?? They so far have done well on other stuff with one word commands. Any hoo once they calm down a bit..I then lean down and pet on them..pulling back my hand if they go to grasp it. The girls have gotten the message but Teddy still tries to grasp my hand.
Maybe my next step with him if this doesnt work for like a week..next step may be turning my back on him if first command does not work. They never clamp down but still holds danger there.
I love that they love me so much but I Feel so bad at how it stresses them out. Lucy clings to me for hours after I have been gone for an hour or so...and all 3 watch my shoes like hawks. Gigi tries to hide my shoes lol. The dobes aren't like that but then my hubby is pretty firm for most part with them..he says you have to with dogs their size..and can understand it. Half my problme is him tho. He spoils mine absolutely rotten and laughs so hard at some of their behaviors. He doesnt about the mouthing though...he is on same boat with me on that area.
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[Sasha]

great video btw Marge . I will get hubby to have our video camera ready when I get home next time so you guys can see how over over the top excited they get. Scares me to think how that could be so stressful on their little hearts
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[marge]

thank you sasha
look at the one where she is hiding under the balnket from Cookie and play peek a boo.
She is still the character and will be 2 this april

If I remember right your first 2 are over a year and half old.
You can teach a old dog new tricks. dont give up .jokeing...

But maybe it works faster to start it young ,when you first get them??

[Foxy Lady]

I'm not too worried about having a new baby with my dogs. But I think it will be easier since we will be able to teach the baby how to interact with the dogs from infancy, rather than try to introduce a new puppy to a child that has not grown up with animals already, if that makes sense.

I don't know what it is about Foxy and Jackie (and Foxy especially) but they LOVE kids, I mean LOVE them. If we're out on a walk and they see a toddler or a stroller, their tails start wagging and they can't wait to meet the kid. They've been handled by small children since we've had them (some kids rougher than others), so they are just so used to it and totally love the attention. I can't wait to see them with the new baby!
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[marge]

It made sence to me , what you were saying.
Im sure it will work out fine,
foxy may try to steal the pacifier a few times.